A Segunda Guerra Mundial - Martin Gilbert

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A Segunda Guerra Mundial - Martin Gilbert

Postby Samwise » 09 Aug 2011 17:43

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Tendo por base uma exaustiva investigação documental (basta olhar de relance para a bibliografia para o confirmar), o "biografo oficial" de Churchill, Martin Gilbert, resume, de forma admiravelmente simples, detalhada e abrangente, os principais factos e acontecimentos que ocorreram na Segunda Guerra Mundial. A perspectiva é simultaneamente vasta, de maneira a abarcar vários contextos gerais (o geográfico, o político, o social, o militar/estratégico e o económico), e minuciosa, mais próxima do individuo (do soldado, do político, do civil, da criança, etc) a ponto de frequentemente mencionar nomes de "soldados desconhecidos" (e/ou de outros civis inocentes), que nunca aparecerão no detalhe "grosso" da história, mas que morreram por uma razão concreta no decorrer da Guerra - seja por sacrifício pessoal ou por terem sido meras vítimas de extermínio colectivo. O intercalar de todas estes dados sem nunca se perder o fio à meada, de uma maneira clara para o leitor, é uma das mais valias da abordagem.

O registo literário é semelhante ao de um diário, em que aparecem, numa cronologia temporal datada, os acontecimentos "do dia". Nele se misturam a "normal" narração do historiador com citações de documentos oficiais (dos mais diversos quadrantes), mapas, imagens, e ainda testemunhos directos de alguns intervenientes (as diversas cartas que Rommel escreve à mulher no decorrer das batalhas são um bom exemplo - e ao mesmo tempo curioso, pelos comentários que faz). Nele se acham, de vez em quando, nomes que mais tarde seriam conhecidos por motivos diversos, como o de Kurt Vonnegut, a propósito do bombardeamento de Dresden, ou Primo Levi, a propósito da libertação de Auschwitz.

Naturalmente, numa obra desta vastidão, resumida que está a cerca de 1000 páginas, é inevitável que a maioria dos episódios não tenha a profundidade que uma exposição mais extensa permitiria, mas é um pequeno preço que há a pagar em troca da perspectiva abrangente deste período recente da nossa história. Esse eventual detalhe está, no entanto, acessível em muitas outras fontes dedicadas - em que a perspectiva e o foco são diferentes - e para isso é que também existe uma lista bibliográfica.

Não tenho termo de comparação com outras obras do género e por isso não posso relativizar a importância e relevo deste livro, mas tendo em conta os propósitos basilares, parece-me uma obra de eleição para quem queira ficar minimamente informado sobre o evento. Alguns erros e gralhas aparecem no texto (como algumas datas trocadas, legendas inexistentes e parágrafos repetidos por palavras diferente), mas nada que belisque a imponência monumental da obra.
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Postby Archie » 10 Aug 2011 11:30

Sam, leste esse livro de uma assentada, ou foste lendo, intercaladamente com outros?

O que me levou a comprar esse e o da primeira guerra foi a primeira página de um deles (não me recordo qual) que dizia que a origem da guerra estava na morte de um anónimo polaco (se a memória não me trai). Gostei da forma pouco maçuda da escrita.

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Postby urukai » 10 Aug 2011 11:52

Já começaste o do Hitler, do Ian Kershaw?

Tenho-o cá em casa mas nunca abri. Estou a guardar para a minha velhice.

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Postby Samwise » 10 Aug 2011 12:14

Archie wrote:Sam, leste esse livro de uma assentada, ou foste lendo, intercaladamente com outros?


Foi de uma assentada, mas lentamente - demorei dois ou três meses.

O que me levou a comprar esse e o da primeira guerra foi a primeira página de um deles (não me recordo qual) que dizia que a origem da guerra estava na morte de um anónimo polaco (se a memória não me trai). Gostei da forma pouco maçuda da escrita.


É capaz de ser no da I Grande Guerra
Este começa praticamente com a Invasão da Polónia, e descreve alguns episódios "falsificados", fabricados pela máquina Nazi, de insurreição popular numa pequena vila fronteiriça com a Alemanha, para justificar a intervenção das tropas alemãs. Não há assim um facto único que justifique a guerra, há antes um conjunto de circunstâncias (e desejos) que se vinham desenhando desde que Hitler subiu ao poder em 1933. Há também registos concretos de uma preparação para a guerra na Alemanha - escondidos do povo e da comunidade internacional - desde 1934, conjecturados pelos principais cabecilhas do partido.


urukai wrote:Já começaste o do Hitler, do Ian Kershaw?
Tenho-o cá em casa mas nunca abri. Estou a guardar para a minha velhice.


Li a introdução e as notas iniciais sobre o Hitler. A julgar por estas páginas, o livro parece excelente - só a ideia que "autoridade carismática" que ele (Kershaw) vai buscar ao Max Weber para explicar como o Hilter conseguiu tanto poder é de ficar abespinhado.

Ainda estou a ler O Julgamento de Nuremberga. Depois é que pego no do Hitler.
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Postby Samwise » 10 Aug 2011 14:48

Guido: "A felicidade consiste em conseguir dizer a verdade sem magoar ninguém." -

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Postby annawen » 10 Aug 2011 15:15

Samwise wrote:
Archie wrote:O que me levou a comprar esse e o da primeira guerra foi a primeira página de um deles (não me recordo qual) que dizia que a origem da guerra estava na morte de um anónimo polaco (se a memória não me trai). Gostei da forma pouco maçuda da escrita.


É capaz de ser no da I Grande Guerra


O evento que despoletou a Primeira Guerra foi o assassinato do arquiduque da Áustria-Hungria Francisco Fernando às mãos de um anarquista sérvio.

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Postby Sofiushka » 10 Aug 2011 16:23

annawen wrote:O evento que despoletou a Primeira Guerra foi o assassinato do arquiduque da Áustria-Hungria Francisco Fernando às mãos de um anarquista sérvio.


Ou, para citar o imortal Blackadder:

Private Baldrick: No, the thing is: The way I see it, these days there's a war on, right? and, ages ago, there wasn't a war on, right? So, there must have been a moment when there not being a war on went away, right? and there being a war on came along. So, what I want to know is: How did we get from the one case of affairs to the other case of affairs?
Captain Blackadder: Do you mean "How did the war start?"
(...)
Private Baldrick: I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry.
Captain Blackadder: I think you mean it started when the Archduke of Austro-Hungary got shot.
Private Baldrick: Nah, there was definitely an ostrich involved, sir.
Captain Blackadder: Well, possibly. But the real reason for the whole thing was that it was too much effort not to have a war. (...) You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war.
Private Baldrick: But, this is a sort of a war, isn't it, sir?
Captain Blackadder: Yes, that's right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan.
Private Baldrick: What was that, sir?
Captain Blackadder: It was bollocks.
Private Baldrick: So the poor old ostrich died for nothing then.

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Postby annawen » 10 Aug 2011 17:10

Nem de propósito, Sofiushka. Ainda há dois dias estive a rever esse episódio. Enquanto lia o "Primeira Guerra Mundial" do Gilbert, lembrava-me muitas vezes de cenas do "Blackadder 4". Não houve muitas coisas da vida das trincheiras que ele deixaram de fora.

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Postby urukai » 11 Aug 2011 09:45

Thanks Sam.

Extraordinariamente interessante. Gostei da entrevista mesmo com o portugues abrasileirado...

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Postby Sharky » 11 Aug 2011 10:45

O veículo ( Kfz.21 ) da capa tem uma história interessante contada pelo motorista de,Rommels. B)

Rudolf Schneider: 'I was Rommel's driver'

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He is now 86 – but his memories of the Desert Fox are as vivid as ever, Cahal Milmo discovers

In the summer of 1941, two groups of German and British soldiers met deep in the Libyan desert. Instead of shooting at each other, the enemies chatted and exchanged cigarettes before going their separate ways. What made the encounter all the more remarkable was that Erwin Rommel, the German commander in North Africa, was among them.

The story of a brief detente in the brutal desert war emerged yesterday after a similarly extraordinary meeting some 68 years later between a group of British veterans and Rudolf Schneider, a former Afrika Korps soldier who remembers the short-lived ceasefire because he was working that day as Field Marshal Rommel's personal driver. Touring the sands between Libya and Egypt in a captured British scout car, Mr Schneider spent two years as part of Rommel's elite protection force, driving up to 500 miles into the desert with the famous tactician beside him.

Speaking in the fluent English he learned as a sub-tropical agriculture student, Mr Schneider told The Independent that the chance rendezvous between Rommel, aka Desert Fox, and a British reconnaissance unit was one of two incidents that summed up both the humanity and the ruthlessness of the battle for North Africa. Mr Schneider, now 86, said: "The common soldiers did not act out of hate. When we met the English soldiers in the desert that time, we were far, far from anywhere. There was no reason to shoot. We swapped cigarettes and I talked with the English officers. But there were also times when we were shocked by the enemy.

"Rommel enjoyed touring the front lines. We would go deep into the desert to explore. One time we came across 14 German soldiers who seemed asleep. When we got closer we saw each had his throat cut. Nearby we found a kukri – the knife of the British Gurkha soldiers. I still have that knife."

The extent to which the ferocity of a war fought by young men has been replaced by comradeship among former enemies was underlined this weekend when Mr Schneider met five former Desert Rats, including an ambulance driver who accidentally drove into a German tank position while it was being inspected by Rommel and was promptly sent back to his lines by the field marshal with Mr Schneider at his side. "We are now friends, very good friends," he said. "I was once a German soldier and they were English soldiers but now we find it difficult to understand why we had to fight against each other. Rommel was always first a soldier. We did not forget that we were fighting fellow human beings."

The German veteran, from Stauchitz, near Dresden, had joined the Wehrmacht as an 18-year-old in 1941 and was rapidly drafted into Hitler's North African forces after serving in Iraq, where his knowledge of Allied weaponry and English was spotted by his commanders. On arrival in Libya, Mr Schneider was drafted into the Kampf Staffel Khiel – a 386-strong personal protection and reconnaissance force for Rommel. Over the next 18 months, Rommel brought the Allied forces to the brink of a catastrophic defeat. The German commander became renowned for his bold thrusting attacks deep into British-held territory, often to the annoyance of his fellow senior officers.

Mr Schneider said: "I was one of Rommel's drivers. I was chosen because I knew English and could operate their equipment. I also had a good memory for landscapes, which was important in the desert. We would drive long distances and all you would see was stones and sands, stones and sand. Rommel was a very correct German soldier. He would eat with us and he wanted to be close to the front lines.I was only a young soldier and I only said 'yes sir' and did what he ordered. But I witnessed many things. I once saw him in a dispute with the Italian commander because he was anxious to attack quickly, to push his advantage. That was very like Rommel."

Despite his close relationship with the Nazi high command and Hitler's personal admiration, Rommel escaped the label of a doctrinaire fascist. Mr Schneider said: "When the propaganda photographs were taken of our unit, they would drape Swastika flags over the vehicles. When the cameramen went away, Rommel would order the Swastikas to be taken away. He didn't like Nazi insignia and took it off. He said, 'I am a German soldier'."

Like the man it was set up to protect, the Kampf Staffel Khiel became renowned for its daring thrusts into enemy territory. Mr Schneider was awarded the Iron Cross for his part in a mission which involved capturing a train and driving it through the night 50 miles behind British lines to blow up a large ammunition dump.

Robert Lyman, a British soldier turned historian who found Mr Schneider while researching a book, The Longest Siege, published this month about one of the key battles of the campaign, the Siege of Tobruk, said the battle for North Africa was a crucial turning point. He said: "If Rommel had succeeded in capturing Egypt, the British Empire would have been cut in half. Vital supplies through the Suez Canal would have been disrupted and Hitler would have had unlimited access to oil."

Numerical superiority and the tactics adopted by Field Marshal Montgomery at El Alamein eventually allowed the Allies to thwart Rommel's ambitions, leading to the capture of large numbers of German prisoners in 1943, including Mr Schneider. He spent the next six years in POW camps before returning home to what became East Germany in 1949. His fiancée, Alfreda, was still waiting for him. The couple settled down and Mr Schneider became an agriculture researcher. He said: "I have been a very lucky man. Alfreda and I married and we had three children. But I have never forgotten the war and the opponents who are now my friends."

Erwin Rommel: Downfall of a master tactician

At the height of the battle for North Africa, one British general confessed that his troops regarded Field Marshal Erwin Rommel as "a kind of magical bogeyman... a superman". Considered a master tactician and daring proponent of "Blitzkrieg", Rommel led his Panzer tank columns deep into enemy territory, cutting off Allied forces during the 1940 invasion of France and again in Africa, defying orders of his own high command and forcing British and Allied forces into retreat.

But success came at the price of leaving his Afrika Korps with overstretched supply lines, leading to heavy defeats. Rommel was implicated in the July 1944 bomb plot against Hitler. On 14 October 1944, Rommel was visited by generals with an ultimatum: suicide with a state funeral, or trial for high treason. Rommel took poison and it was officially stated he had died of a brain seizure.


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Postby Sharky » 11 Aug 2011 13:46

urukai wrote:Já começaste o do Hitler, do Ian Kershaw?

Tenho-o cá em casa mas nunca abri. Estou a guardar para a minha velhice.


Eu quando comprei abri logo, tem fotos inéditas, desde Hitler na escola, fotos dos pais, colecção de Mercedes do próprio, etc. B)
Acho que vou ler este primeiro que o do Gilbert.

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Postby pco69 » 14 Oct 2011 12:04

http://www.dn.pt/inicio/tv/interior.asp ... ccao=Media

Esta semana o caderno cultural do Diário de Notícias destaca um trabalho de análise a três livros que revolucionam muito do que pensávamos ou julgávamos que sabíamos sobre o final da II Guerra Mundial: o livro "The End - Hitler's Germany 1944-45" de Ian Kershaw, "A Queda de Berlim -1945" e "Paris Após a Libertação - 1944-1949", ambos de Anthony Beevor.
Fenómenos desencadeantes de enfarte do miocárdio

Esforços físicos, stress psíquico, digestão de alimentos, coito, tempo frio, vento de frente e esforços a princípio da manhã.

Ou seja, é extremamente perigoso fazer sexo ao ar livre com vento de frente, após ter tomado o pequeno almoço numa manhã de inverno...


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